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Phred
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193241 1 year, 7 months ago
Clearly, we have fundamental differences of opinion...you entitled to yours and me to mine. We will have to agree to disagree.
tdog
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193288 1 year, 7 months ago
It's ironic that the very same people that protested conformity and group think back in the 60's are now running the government and are trying to get everyone to march in lockstep with them into some utopian future where the government controls everything from your healthcare, education, and what you eat !

Group thought is dangerous and I hope there are still enough independent Heads out there who want to preserve freedom in America the way it was depicted in Kerouac's wrote On The Road.

America does not need to be "fundamentally transformed". There a plenty of places around the world living under dictatorships and totalitarian rule. America needs to stay the beacon of freedom that it has always been. America is not perfect but it's more perfect than anywhere else in the world. Obama wants control and power to transform us which is reason enough for me to not support him. We ought to see him for what he is and reject him.

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Phred
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193294 1 year, 7 months ago
tdog wrote:
It's ironic that the very same people that protested conformity and group think back in the 60's are now running the government and are trying to get everyone to march in lockstep with them into some utopian future where the government controls everything from your healthcare, education, and what you eat !

Hmmm, it will certainly be interesting when we have no FDA, CDC, OSHA, EPA or other consumer protection agencies. Look for greater deaths from food borne illnesses (e.g. salmonella outbreaks), flu pandemics (because we certainly DON'T need flu shots...they're a gov't conspiracy anyway), mine collapses because that industry is GROSSLY over regulated, and groundwater contamination due to oil and gas exploration/extraction "techniques". Of course, those deaths will largely occur in the 47% of the population that are pariahs and leeches anyway, so no loss, right?

Group thought is dangerous and I hope there are still enough independent Heads out there who want to preserve freedom in America the way it was depicted in Kerouac's wrote On The Road.

Wow, last I checked the Constitution of the United States of America was the product of "group thought"...clearly, a dangerous group of radicals that probably should have been eliminated.

America does not need to be "fundamentally transformed". There a plenty of places around the world living under dictatorships and totalitarian rule. America needs to stay the beacon of freedom that it has always been. America is not perfect but it's more perfect than anywhere else in the world. Obama wants control and power to transform us which is reason enough for me to not support him. We ought to see him for what he is and reject him.

On this we agree! A Mitt Romney presidency would indeed "fundamentally transform" the nation. You Tea Party-ers are a scary lot. Ronald Reagan couldn't get elected by today's Republican Party. For all of your concerns, the reality is that Barack Obama is more in the line of a 1960s Nelson Rockefeller than he is Karl Marx. One of the hallmarks of the Tea Party and current Romney campaign is to take a lie and repeat it often in the hopes that it will be taken as fact. Sorry, a lie is a lie...Obama is not a Socialist and never will be...he's not even close to the horizon of being a Socialist

Yes, I have an opinion. We all should.


And I have an opinion too...you are woefully misinformed and wrong. Have a nice day!
tdog
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193303 1 year, 7 months ago
Ok then. We disagree.

We independents don't want people dying anymore than you Obamaites. We just believe that people can do a better job using their own creativity and ability than can a big, leviathan government.

Don't look now but those big government agencies you cite (please, the military is around 8% of the federal budget) as essential to your existence are bankrupting the treasury. America is now 16 Trillion dollars in the hole and the hole is getting deeper every day ! Where does it all end ? A question we all ought to be asking ourselves. Hell, when I was a kid a Trillion was next GAZillion, a made up number ! We can do better.

Maybe the solution is to stop spending our money on bloated government agencies and start doing things smarter and better using private sector interests that have the country's survival at heart.

JFK challenged the nation back in the 60's to shoot for the moon. He offered a challenge to the nation, not the government, to put a man on the moon. He was not a big government democrat but a pragmatic leader.

Sorry, Obama is no JFK ! JFK inspired, Obummer demoralizes us with: fewer jobs, more people on food stamps and disability and most of all NO VISION for a brighter future. Just keep the printing presses humming printing increasingly worthless dollars. It's pathetic really. I don't see how any thinking person can support Obama in this coming election.

I'm done.
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lostsailor
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193458 1 year, 7 months ago
tdog wrote:
Ok then. We disagree.

We independents don't want people dying anymore than you Obamaites. We just believe that people can do a better job using their own creativity and ability than can a big, leviathan government.

Don't look now but those big government agencies you cite (please, the military is around 8% of the federal budget) as essential to your existence are bankrupting the treasury. America is now 16 Trillion dollars in the hole and the hole is getting deeper every day ! Where does it all end ? A question we all ought to be asking ourselves. Hell, when I was a kid a Trillion was next GAZillion, a made up number ! We can do better.

Maybe the solution is to stop spending our money on bloated government agencies and start doing things smarter and better using private sector interests that have the country's survival at heart.

JFK challenged the nation back in the 60's to shoot for the moon. He offered a challenge to the nation, not the government, to put a man on the moon. He was not a big government democrat but a pragmatic leader.

Sorry, Obama is no JFK ! JFK inspired, Obummer demoralizes us with: fewer jobs, more people on food stamps and disability and most of all NO VISION for a brighter future. Just keep the printing presses humming printing increasingly worthless dollars. It's pathetic really. I don't see how any thinking person can support Obama in this coming election.

I'm done.


I don't think this post can claim you represent or you are echoing the voice of independents. I'm a liberal but an independent.

But I agree with the poster above- you are misinformed. Let's start with the 8% of the budget is for the military. ? back it up.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193460 1 year, 7 months ago
I'm not a Victim, and I did pay taxes last year.
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Phred
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193463 1 year, 7 months ago
lostsailor wrote:
tdog wrote:
Ok then. We disagree.

We independents don't want people dying anymore than you Obamaites. We just believe that people can do a better job using their own creativity and ability than can a big, leviathan government.

Don't look now but those big government agencies you cite (please, the military is around 8% of the federal budget) as essential to your existence are bankrupting the treasury. America is now 16 Trillion dollars in the hole and the hole is getting deeper every day ! Where does it all end ? A question we all ought to be asking ourselves. Hell, when I was a kid a Trillion was next GAZillion, a made up number ! We can do better.

Maybe the solution is to stop spending our money on bloated government agencies and start doing things smarter and better using private sector interests that have the country's survival at heart.

JFK challenged the nation back in the 60's to shoot for the moon. He offered a challenge to the nation, not the government, to put a man on the moon. He was not a big government democrat but a pragmatic leader.

Sorry, Obama is no JFK ! JFK inspired, Obummer demoralizes us with: fewer jobs, more people on food stamps and disability and most of all NO VISION for a brighter future. Just keep the printing presses humming printing increasingly worthless dollars. It's pathetic really. I don't see how any thinking person can support Obama in this coming election.

I'm done.


I don't think this post can claim you represent or you are echoing the voice of independents. I'm a liberal but an independent.

But I agree with the poster above- you are misinformed. Let's start with the 8% of the budget is for the military. ? back it up.


8%? Really? Where did you pull that number out of? According to FactCheck.org, the defense appropriation for 2011 is 20.1% www.factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/

Check it out yourself....there's the link above.
tdog
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193471 1 year, 7 months ago
I don't believe in labels. Liberal, conservative, independent, martian. Who cares ! Label me whatever you want. I consider myself an independent in thought. If I must categorize myself then that's what I'd choose.

I may be off on the military spending percentage of GDP number but I am not misinformed.

The only reason I mentioned military spending is I anticipate that being the first thing mentioned by the tax first/cut later crowd when discussing federal spending cuts. Anyway, I think military spending has historically been around 8-15% of the fed budget, although, it may have risen since Obama's been president but then so has ALL government spending under Obama. I'll bet dollars to donuts it's around 20% right now. I'd like to see ALL government spending reduced, including military. We don't need huge armies in this day in age.

We can't possibly pay for our debt and doing nothing about it is highly irresponsible. Taxing people will only pay a fraction of the deficit. I support serious solutions to our economic problems. If we do nothing then I'm afraid society will unravel at some point ala Greece. We need real hope now from serious people with serious solutions. Not a celebrity president.

We simply cannot keep doing what we're doing. I don't see how it will end well.

I'm not for more war. I hate war. War sucks.
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B-Rad
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193503 1 year, 7 months ago
If you want tyranny Mitts your guy. He will hand the country completely over to the big businesses and rich guys bank rolling him. If you want a war with Iran mitts your guy. If you want a dirtier environ Kent and no action on climate change mitts your guy. If you want mord debt thru more tax cuts for the rich mitts your guy. If you want fewer spell grants and less funding for education mitts your guy. If you want less access to birth control mitts your guy. If you want woke. To make less in the workplace mitts your guy. If you want more military spending mitts your guy. If you want more banking crises mitts your guy. If you want another humbling Moroni that insults other countries mitts your guy.....
lostsailor
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193526 1 year, 7 months ago
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